1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 I'm Sean Ryder, as a 15-year-old lad in Salford, long before my old raising antics in the 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,080 Abbey Mondays, I saw a ball of light whizzing about in the night sky as I stood at a bus 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,080 stop. 4 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:21,000 I knew there and then I'd seen a UFO, ever since I've been obsessed with all things 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 extraterrestrial. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,960 I've always wanted to understand what I saw that day, and in this series I'm going to 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,520 do just that. 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:36,840 My mission is to seek out those at the forefront of UFO research, and through them try to discover 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,400 how other people deal with this most mysterious phenomenon. 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:49,240 I'll be meeting the top dogs of ufology, from generals and scientists to the abductees themselves, 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,960 to hear what they have to say, and to separate fact from fiction. 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,520 And that's clear as day like that. 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:11,200 Well it is, this is one of the strangest, mysterious things I've ever seen. 14 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,240 Reports of UFO encounters often provoke dramatic headlines. 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:20,000 In the UK these accounts are usually met with the ills of derision. 16 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,080 It seems that new stories of the extraterrestrial are not enough to shake Britain's stiff upper 17 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,160 lip. 18 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,800 And the public remain largely unconvinced that there's life on other planets. 19 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,040 The British have always been very tolerant of minority interests, but in a rather sort 20 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,680 of patronising their very dear fashion, and people who are into UFOs are seen as harmless 21 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,680 cooks. 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,000 The issue of life in the cosmos is an issue that belongs to science. 23 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,680 It is not a matter of believing, it is a matter of fact. 24 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,920 If life developed once, given the number of galaxies and the number of stars, it would 25 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,960 be remarkable if it only developed on Earth. 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,120 If I saw something that was that obviously technological and landed on my front lawn 27 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,160 and an alien came out and said, hey how you doing? 28 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,880 You wouldn't be able to explain it any other way would you? 29 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,440 Of course I'd have to admit at that point that there is intelligent life in our galaxy 30 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,000 because I've just witnessed it. 31 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,000 The UFO episodes can be bewildering and traumatic for those involved, often aggravated by surrounding 32 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,000 media frenzy. 33 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 But where do you go to seek support when no one believes you? 34 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,280 I want to learn which of the UK's best known UFO stories stand up to scrutiny and how the 35 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,400 witnesses have coped to help have enlisted America's most famous abductee Travis Walton. 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,480 Hey Sean, how do you do? 37 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,640 Really pleased that you could make it over from the stakes. 38 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:51,320 I've followed Travis's incredible story for many years, so it's a privilege to have 39 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,200 him on board for my journey across the UK. 40 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Travis's extraordinary account provoked a media storm back in 1975. 41 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,080 On November 5th, while working with a logging crew in a remote corner of Arizona, Walton 42 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,040 claims to have been abducted by a UFO and event witness by six of his colleagues. 43 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Five days later, he reappeared a few miles from where he was allegedly taken and described 44 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:25,520 coming face to face with alien beings aboard some kind of craft. 45 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:31,200 Over the years, he has passed numerous polygraph tests, making his without doubt the most believable 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,640 incident I've ever come across. 47 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:38,120 Travis has spent his life sharing his idea with others who claim to have had similar 48 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,120 experiences. 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,880 He only very rarely comes to the UK and I feel his wealth of knowledge on this trip 50 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,880 is going to prove invaluable. 51 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,120 Armishing starts in High Bentham in rural Lancashire. 52 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,200 It's hardly Roswell, but this unassuming place was the setting of an intriguing UFO case 53 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,840 in 2007. 54 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,480 So many sightings are reported by individuals, but what makes this case unusual is that a 55 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,760 whole family claimed to have had a shared UFO encounter. 56 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,280 Other witnesses from all over the country corroborated the family's sighting, which led to a brief 57 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:19,840 flurry of media interest. 58 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:25,560 Seven years on, Rachel lives there with her mother and now teenage sons Alex and Benjamin. 59 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,560 Travis and I are eager to find out how their experience continues to affect them. 60 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Hi Rachel. 61 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,560 Hi. 62 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Nice to meet you. 63 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:34,560 Nice to meet you. 64 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Hi Travis, nice to meet you. 65 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,640 You do come in. 66 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,640 Hi. 67 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,640 What's freezing? 68 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 I know, I know, I'm going to shut the door. 69 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,640 It's cold out. 70 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,680 That's a lovely cup of coffee. 71 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,680 It's freezing outside. 72 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Just does a job. 73 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,160 Well, thanks for seeing us. 74 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,800 We're investigating lots of different UFO sightings. 75 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,280 So can you tell me about your UFO encounter? 76 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:05,120 Well, it was on January 2005. 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,920 It was Sunday evening, I remember. 78 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:14,480 We'd all been out for a meal and we were driving back along the road and I just looked up and 79 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:21,000 saw this amazing bright white light directly ahead of me. 80 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,920 The purest, brightest light you could ever imagine seeing. 81 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,600 And we all kind of said, wow, what's that? 82 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,720 You know, and it seemed as time stopped as I was looking at it. 83 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,760 It seemed for a long time. 84 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,640 We were all saying, what is that? 85 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,800 Because it was just like nothing you could ever imagine. 86 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,560 At that point, was it above or below the horizon? 87 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,560 Above. 88 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Above. 89 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,560 Above. 90 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Yeah. 91 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,920 All I remember after that is that it just shot away at the most amazing speed. 92 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,320 It just left you completely bewildered. 93 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,200 I think I was about eight or nine at the time and all I remember is catching it out 94 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,880 of the corner of my eye how fast it went. 95 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:00,880 It's unbelievable. 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:01,880 And we were waiting for a bang. 97 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,040 You know, we thought it was like a meteor or something and there wasn't any bang. 98 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,560 So it didn't fit anything that I've ever seen before. 99 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,960 The only thing that has ever looked similar to the original UFO we saw is a video on YouTube 100 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:19,360 where a light is hovering above the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and then it shoots up into 101 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,360 the sky. 102 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,600 That's the only thing that's matched the speed and the acceleration that the original object 103 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,600 had. 104 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Yeah, it's a feeling it gave you as well. 105 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,760 I kept my head, don't be frightened, we're not going to hurt you. 106 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,760 And you got this feeling of overwhelming love from it. 107 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,200 I think we all felt that, you did as well. 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,840 Which was very strange phenomena when you think about it. 109 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,920 Was the desperate feeling to see it again, you know? 110 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:48,920 Oh yes. 111 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,920 It was the weirdest thing. 112 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,480 You just had this longing to actually just, you know, for even a few seconds. 113 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,480 You want more and it fits like a dick to it. 114 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,800 And to get that feeling back again. 115 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,840 Sort of desperate for that. 116 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,840 There are a lot of apparitions that have appeared in the sky over the years. 117 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:09,600 There have been satanic or other magical hunts. 118 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,000 There have been armies battling in the sky. 119 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,240 There have been angels, demons, all kinds of things. 120 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,840 When you set those alongside a lot of UFO narratives, they're not the same. 121 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,920 But they're not so strikingly different. 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,600 There are people seeing things in the sky. 123 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,800 So you might almost want to see the sky as a great big projector screen. 124 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Upon which cultures project some of their imaginings, some of their fears, some of their 125 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,960 hopes. 126 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,600 The manifestation has made differ between cultures. 127 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,680 But one factor reported in many UFO experiences is a phenomena of missing time. 128 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,320 A gap in the conscious memory of the people at the centre of these events. 129 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,240 One well respected case also involved a group driving home from dinner together. 130 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,000 But took place in Kentucky in January 1976. 131 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Mona Stafford and two friends reported seeing a glowing red UFO that took control of the 132 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,160 car, causing them to black out. 133 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,600 They later came to driving in the same direction, but realised they couldn't account for well 134 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,200 over an hour of time. 135 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,480 It's an obvious question, but did you lose any time? 136 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,120 Well, this is what we discovered when we redrawed the route. 137 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,120 We nearly collapsed because it had taken us well over an hour to drive home. 138 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,840 And when we did reel the route, Brecht said, it's only taken us under 15 minutes. 139 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,400 I had to stop the car and I literally opened the door. 140 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,200 And I just felt so dizzy and disorientated because I just thought that can't be. 141 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,800 I just, I know that I saw it. 142 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,520 I know, you know, so sure of what was around me. 143 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,440 I said you've driven too fast or missed it. 144 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Do you remember? 145 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:53,200 Yeah, it goes against everything that you've grown up to know as reality and to be able 146 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,200 to explain away. 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:59,120 And when you've confronted with something like that, it just makes you question everything. 148 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,840 And we spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. 149 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,440 The family's account is beginning to sound plausible to me, but I know from the experience 150 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,080 of telling people about my own UFO story, that doesn't count for much. 151 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,360 When you tell people your story, they tend to believe you. 152 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,360 No. 153 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,080 Well, the thing is at school, I tried telling everyone, but I got left that and ridiculed 154 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,080 for everything. 155 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,280 As you can imagine, it's so crazy. 156 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,800 People don't want to believe that kind of thing that's happened. 157 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,800 I think people are quick to reject things, but it's very close-minded to deny something 158 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,240 happened. 159 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,360 Even though it's difficult, I can't fit it with anything that's happened to me before. 160 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,160 I still don't refuse it happened to me. 161 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,400 I know that it happened. 162 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,400 And that's frustrating. 163 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,320 You don't just dismiss things like before, perhaps. 164 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,640 We'd have just dismissed something like that. 165 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,680 I don't think you can truly believe anyone about anything like that until you've seen 166 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,880 it something for yourself. 167 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:01,720 I suspect that a lot of people, if they meet derision or skepticism, they shout out about 168 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:02,720 it. 169 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,160 And that could, I suppose, lead to increased suffering and trauma if the experience has 170 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,920 been inherently frightening. 171 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,520 And they're not able to discuss it with other people for fear of being thought of as a little. 172 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:20,080 And particularly if it was experienced by alone, without validation from other witnesses, 173 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,160 it might be a rather unfortunate situation for them. 174 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Does it help you to talk to other people yourself? 175 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,920 I think it does. 176 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,920 But back when this happened to me, there was hardly anything in the way of support groups. 177 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,320 And I went to a few conferences where I was pretty taken aback by some of the strangeness 178 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,720 that I encountered there. 179 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,160 I kind of avoided that too. 180 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,160 But it's improved. 181 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:49,440 And the good, solid cases, they're less reluctant to talk about it. 182 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,440 They're coming forward. 183 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,360 So, in that sense, I'm not alone. 184 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,200 It's less traumatic now than it was. 185 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,200 Yes, yes. 186 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:06,680 I'm Sean Ryder. 187 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:12,360 I've joined forces with Travis Walton, the legendary American alien abductee, to get 188 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,480 to the bottom of the UK's most curious UFO incident. 189 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Like Travis, I've had a brush with the extraterrestrial. 190 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,600 I saw a UFO darting across the night sky back in the 1970s. 191 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,920 We're in Lancashire with a family who, seven years ago, claimed to have had a collective 192 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,440 UFO experience. 193 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Travis and I are eager to make sense of what happened that evening, and no way we'd investigate 194 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,840 a worth their salt would lead without a visit to the scene. 195 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,960 So, this is kind of the general area. 196 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,920 This is the road we were driving along in this direction. 197 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,920 And we were obviously heading that way. 198 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,520 I remember the boys actually commenting on the chimney. 199 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,280 I remember the boys going, oh, I think there's 12 chimneys. 200 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,280 Right, there's 12. 201 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,280 You do count them. 202 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Well, that's such a unique line, Mark. 203 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,720 It'd be hard to find another like that. 204 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,720 Yeah. 205 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,120 We saw the object in the sky just shortly after we'd seen those. 206 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,840 And afterwards we all discussed that, you know, so we knew we're roughly on the road. 207 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,080 We drove this way, and then I don't remember whereabouts it was. 208 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:29,680 But as we drove down, suddenly I was aware of this light in the corner by here. 209 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:32,160 And then it was in front of us. 210 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,160 Over the following days, Rachel and Anne returned to the site in an attempt to piece together 211 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 what had happened to them and the boys. 212 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,000 But despite being convinced this was where they saw the light, as hard as they tried, 213 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,400 they were unable to find any stretch of road to match their memory of events. 214 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,280 So looking for a high point on this road, there's a big, wide road, 215 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,240 nothing on each side and a white line down the middle. 216 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,320 And if you drive around it, it doesn't exist, but we knew this is the road we're on. 217 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,480 So it wasn't much different from how it is now? 218 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,480 A little bit darker. 219 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,480 A bit darker. 220 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,480 Mm, mm. 221 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Yes. 222 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,480 No traffic. 223 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,480 I think it was off. 224 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Some level of amnesia or reality distortion is not uncommon in those who claim to have 225 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,240 seen UFOs. 226 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,480 But rather than the symptoms of traumatic experience, some ufologists speculate cases 227 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,600 shared by individuals may be explained by some kind of extraterrestrial mind control. 228 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,680 I'll let you get back in the car before you freeze to death. 229 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:34,680 Oh, well, nice to meet you. 230 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:35,680 Thank you. 231 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:36,680 Nice to meet you. 232 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:37,680 All right, I will... 233 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:38,680 Fine, Nana. 234 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:39,680 Turn around. 235 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,680 Nice to meet you. 236 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:46,960 Me and Travis have a lot to chew over, so we're off to the chip it's a pour over the 237 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,080 details of the case. 238 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,560 Romantic meal for two. 239 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:55,800 Why, thank you, innkeeper. 240 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,800 You're welcome. 241 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Hey, for our fresh and chips, squirtilani. 242 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,240 The famous English fish and chips. 243 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,840 The famous English fish and chips. 244 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,840 Oh. 245 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,840 I'm ready. 246 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,840 I'm ready, sir. 247 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,840 That was cold out there. 248 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,840 I am now going to smother my engraving. 249 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,840 So, what did you think of the family's account of their society? 250 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:31,920 Well, first of all, I was pleasantly surprised that there was nice, normal people, not graving 251 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:32,920 crap pots. 252 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:33,920 Yeah. 253 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,920 It's very credible. 254 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,360 I mean, I do believe that, you know, they've seen something. 255 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,360 Yeah. 256 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,360 They're not from their account that there's a core real incident that happened. 257 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,360 Well, the cheese in that, the boys had at school, which was typical. 258 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Yeah. 259 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,360 I mean, the media as well. 260 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:56,360 I mean, the media, I suppose it's a little bit better now, you know, I mean, but certainly, 261 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:02,040 you know, even a few years ago, I mean, anything that was in, you know, the dailies or the 262 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,360 red tops was, you know, it was really poking fun at you. 263 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,360 Yeah. 264 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,360 A little bit of tongue-in-cheek and sort of sign off with a little chuckle like, oh, I'm 265 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,360 above this topic. 266 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:20,040 But, you know, in my case, my first reaction to seeing the craft was, I want to see it 267 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,040 up close. 268 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,040 I'm curious. 269 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,160 And then people say, well, if you saw something again, you know, I say, well, if I did see 270 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,320 something again, I wouldn't tell anybody. 271 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,840 I didn't really have any choice the first time around because, you know, the crew reported 272 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:41,600 it to the law enforcement and, you know, the world knew about it before I was ever returned. 273 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:50,080 Knowing what I've seen, and when people tell me their sort of story, you know, I don't 274 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,360 straight away jump in there, I'm going to believe this, you know. 275 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:59,200 I mean, unless it sounds really credible to me, I've just think, you know, I always have 276 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,400 doubts about it. 277 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:08,120 As far as, you know, what they described seeing, you know, I got the impression that they definitely 278 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,120 saw something. 279 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Definitely. 280 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Yeah. 281 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,800 When we set off on this trip, I thought I knew all there was to know about Travis's story. 282 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:23,200 But I'm beginning to realise I hadn't given much thought to how his UFO experience might 283 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,320 have fundamentally affected him. 284 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,120 And just like the Devral family, those effects resonate long after the news headlines have 285 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:40,520 become tomorrow's fishing chip paper. 286 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,640 It's a new day and we've headed 50 miles south to Todd Morden in West Yorkshire. 287 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:51,400 It's an unlikely place for one of the UK's UFO hotspots, but the town and its surrounding 288 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,760 hills have become known as UFO Alley due to a wave of sightings that date back as far 289 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:57,760 as the 70s. 290 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,720 We're here to investigate one of the UK's most renowned UFO incidents. 291 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,160 But before Travis and I meet the man at the centre of the case, we're off to the Towns 292 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Library to see if the local papers hold any clues. 293 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:20,720 So this is a microfilm of a local newspaper report from June 1980. 294 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:27,600 A mysterious around the death of a man thought to be of Polish or Ukraine origin. 295 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:35,600 His body was discovered on top of a coal heap in a good yard with burns to his body. 296 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Well I guess he had a jacket on but no shirt under it. 297 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,640 Like somebody parsley redressed him or something. 298 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,800 Quite a bit of mystery, you know, suggested by the wording in this article. 299 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,400 So this day the death of Sigmund Adamski remains unsold. 300 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,200 He had been missing for five days. 301 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,680 The same amount of time Travis disappeared for when his body was discovered on top of 302 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,240 a coal heap during the afternoon of 11th June 1980. 303 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,160 Although the yard had been used the morning of Damski was found, forensics later revealed 304 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,120 he died only hours before the discovery of his body, implying he must have been placed 305 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:17,120 there post-mortem. 306 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:24,000 The circumstances of finding this body is similar to a case that happened in America 307 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 and then a national park. 308 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:33,120 They found a body of a man and then UFO sighting was correlated to that time and place. 309 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,600 They couldn't find any direct cause of death. 310 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,600 It was suggested that perhaps he'd fallen from the sky. 311 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Despite Adamski being found perched on top of a five meter coal pile, he had no scuffs 312 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,680 or traces of coal dust on either his body or clothes. 313 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Staring up at the sky it was almost as if he too had been dropped from above. 314 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,960 We are not applying any suspicious circumstances. 315 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,680 It sounds pretty curious to me. 316 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:09,680 And the cop that found the body six months later, he had his own UFO experience. 317 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,280 I'm going to roll this on now. 318 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,280 Electronic sunbed. 319 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Tough to get back to there. 320 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Oh American jiggle, I've gone with the wind. 321 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,000 I'm not as old. 322 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 December. 323 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Oh yeah. 324 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 There we are. 325 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 P.C. Godfrey. 326 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,000 The amazing encounter in Calder Valley made a force be with you. 327 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,000 It is undoubtedly true and probably unfortunate that these kinds of stories constitutes, how 328 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,720 should we put it? 329 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Yeah, end of news, bullet and silly stories if you like to make people chuckle and move 330 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,720 on, you know. 331 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,720 That's the media for you. 332 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,720 When it's treated by the media in Britain, it's often a filler item with a rise smile. 333 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,720 A slightly mocking sort of attitude. 334 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,720 The outlandish headlines seem to have followed P.C. Allen Godfrey. 335 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:17,440 The spokesman for the British UFO Society said the sightings had characteristics coming 336 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,960 to the many hundreds of UFO spottings every year. 337 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,960 The bottom part was spinning very, very fast. 338 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,960 And on top there was a glowing roof. 339 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,200 Was your craft anything like? 340 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,200 Yeah, the size of the craft that he's describing and the way parts of it glowed and 341 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,200 parts of it didn't is similar to what we saw. 342 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:55,200 The lights that Travis and his team followed through the trees that night emanated, he 343 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,200 says, from a craft with the appearance of a classic flying saucer. 344 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Over in silently, the metallic disc he describes was 20 feet across and had no obvious markings 345 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,200 of any kind. 346 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,200 Five years later and on the other side of the Atlantic, it's intriguing that the UFO 347 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,200 reporting in this case should be so similar to the one Travis saw. 348 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:25,200 I had to remember this back in the 80s and police are considered trustworthy observers. 349 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Yeah, I says they reported it to their superiors. 350 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:36,200 When Allen Godfrey at the centre of both the Adamski case and the UFO sighting, the press 351 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,200 at the time made a connection and ran with it, implying the two incidents were two pieces 352 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,640 of some kind of extraterrestrial riddle. 353 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,640 And there's only one way for us to find out if that's true. 354 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,640 PC Allen Godfrey, the copnet connects, are they? 355 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,640 See, he actually still lives there in town. 356 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,640 I think Travis, we should pay him a visit. 357 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,640 Well, let's see if he'll talk to us. 358 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,640 OK, let's go. 359 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,320 I'm Sean Ryder, lead singer of the Happy Mondays. 360 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,320 I'm travelling the country with American alien abductee Travis Walton, who's flown in from 361 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:20,320 the States to cast an expert eye over some of the UK's most renowned UFO cases. 362 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:26,320 We're in West Yorkshire investigating the case of Allen Godfrey, an ex-policeman who, 363 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:32,320 in 1980, was at the centre of a sequence of truly mysterious events, including an encounter 364 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,320 with a UFO. 365 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:42,000 The UFO began to be seen after the Second World War, things that people believed were spacecraft. 366 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,000 And that was in the context of the development of nuclear weapons technology. 367 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,000 It was in the context of the development of rocket technology. 368 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,480 And it was in the context of a gathering Cold War between the States and the Communist 369 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Republic. And there is this sense that for some people in America, the state is a secret 370 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:10,800 and hostile conspiracy. And that conspiracy theory has been harnessed, coupled with beliefs 371 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,840 and UFOs. I think that for people in Britain, there is less of a sense that the state's 372 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:24,080 up to no good with respect to space technology. And most people most of the time are not actually 373 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,080 on the lookout for UFOs in Britain. 374 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,680 Alan. 375 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,680 Sean. 376 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,680 Sean. 377 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,680 Sean, pleased to meet you. 378 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,680 Sean. 379 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,680 This must be Travis. 380 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,680 Travis. 381 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,200 Alan retired from the police force in 1984. And like Travis, has always been met with 382 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,160 skepticism in the face of his claims. 383 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,360 Travis has already admitted he would keep any further UFO experiences a secret. So it's 384 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:53,640 perhaps no surprise Alan too has expressed misgivings due to the distress it caused him 385 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,160 and his family. 386 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,920 But before we go on to fly saucers, as one of the first officers to attend a damskies 387 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:04,320 body, we want to find out some of the details that didn't make the papers. 388 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:11,320 We've been missing six days. When you left home, it had thick, wavy air, as we found 389 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:18,320 out later. But when he was found, his hair looked like it had been cropped really roughly. 390 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:26,000 He had burn marks, individual burn marks, around his head. Like things have been placed 391 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,880 on there. 392 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,880 Right. 393 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,880 But the interesting one, as you turn the head over, you could see at the nape of the neck 394 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:43,040 here was an open, like a blistered type burn. And on it, there appeared to have been smeared 395 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:50,040 on it, some sort of anointment, you know, like Vaseline or something like that. When 396 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:57,280 we went to the post mortem, the pathologist, straight away, he was taken aback by the look 397 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,960 on the guy's face. He suggested that the guy had died from a heart attack. 398 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,960 That's what he says. 399 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,840 But you've heard the saying, it was trying to death. He said, well, this is a typical 400 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800 example of it. 401 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,160 That wasn't the only startling detail the post mortem revealed. The strayed gel-like 402 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,680 ointment on a damskies burns was sent to the home office lab. Yet remained unidentifiable 403 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,440 despite rigorous forensic tests. 404 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,360 That guy didn't die where he was found. 405 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,360 No. 406 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:30,360 There's no way. 407 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:35,360 Well, you can imagine, oh, yeah, you're about 24 tall, high, or something like that with 408 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,360 a cally. 409 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,360 Right. 410 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:44,400 Imagine a human being carrying someone upside of a cally to place a body like it was placed. 411 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,480 So that begs another question and that's what, how did he get there? There's lots of speculation, 412 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,680 of course, over the years that UFOs were involved. 413 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,680 It may never be known whether or not there was extraterrestrial involvement in a damskies 414 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,440 death. However, the coroner stated it was one of the most puzzling cases he's seen in 415 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,440 25 years. 416 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:15,440 Allen, however, has never been convinced and maintains the Adamski case, though mysterious, 417 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:22,280 has no eyed evidence of any extraterrestrial connection. The eyed-edged logic of an ex-policeman 418 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,960 only has credence to the validity of his own UFO encounter. 419 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,320 It's just past the police station. There was a site in it, but it was six months later. 420 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:39,320 And that, again, is a very weird thing. Five o'clock that morning, or thereabouts, I noticed 421 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,200 something up in front of me about 500 yards up in the road. So I drove towards it and 422 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,080 I got within about 20 yards of this object. It was just hovering off the ground. It was 423 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:56,680 quite an eerie thing to see. I stopped the police car, obviously, and then you went and 424 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,360 asked me, did I get out the car to examine it? I investigated. I said, that is simple. 425 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:08,360 I knew I didn't. I felt very secure in the car. I decided to draw it. When suddenly, 426 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:16,080 the old place just went white. And what I thought was a second or two late, you know, 427 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:23,080 I'm 20 yards up road driving the police car and this thing had gone. So how much time 428 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,760 had you lost? From 10 past five to about 10 to six, something like that, five to six. 429 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,320 What did your craft look like? I'll tell you what, it was right for you. It would be much 430 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:40,320 easier than described. Brilliant. Yeah, please. Hang on. No, no, no. It was like this sort 431 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:48,320 of shape. I never went to art school. It had these, like, and these were darkened. 432 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,320 But basically, that's what it was. The original one would have probably been a bit more shaky. 433 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:05,320 Was this anything like your very similar size and divided into panels like that? Only the 434 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:12,320 panels were glowing. Yeah. It's very strange, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 435 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,320 Taking in isolation, Alan's account of such an intimate closing counter could seem preposterous. 436 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,320 A vent's all folding nearby, or ever, would soon add an all new level of plausibility to 437 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:29,320 his story. 12 miles away, three police officers, they'd gone up on the moor and as they'd 438 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:36,320 come up there, they became aware of this blue pulsating light in the sky on the horizon. 439 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:44,320 They'd stood watching this object, and then it, from one horizon to the other in a split 440 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,320 second, backwards and forwards, up and down, and they then observed it, heading in the 441 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,320 general direction of Todd Mordin. Two other police officers in the Todd Morden area also 442 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,320 were never excited, submitting a drawing of a diamond shaped craft, remarking it's similar 443 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,320 to Alan's in the following days. Well, if you want me to go and show you where the 444 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,320 actual encounter took place, you too have more than willing. I'd love to, yeah. Absolutely. 445 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,320 I think it was dark outside when we saw it, so it should be very interesting. I'll go and 446 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,320 put my coat on. OK. All right. Fantastic. 447 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,320 With Knight having fallen over England's number one UFO hotspot, me and Travis are eager to 448 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,320 see the place Alan and his close encounter for ourselves. 449 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,320 That's where it was. Now, you can imagine it hovering five foot off the ground. Yeah. 450 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:41,320 Like a tion of the UFO. And as I said, it was nearly as wide as this, about 20 foot wide. 451 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:48,320 A huge thing. And the bottom half was rotating very fast, but appeared to be going the other 452 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:54,320 way slow. Because the leaves, all these dead leaves that were around it, were all swirling 453 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,320 around it. Despite having a clear recollection of the crafty clues to have seen, over the 454 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,320 moves that followed, the 40 minutes of missing time that Alan couldn't account for began 455 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:13,320 a troubling. And evidently, is superior to. They asked me if I'd be hypnotised by an 456 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,320 imminent psychiatrist, you know, not your stage. Police. Police. The police, yeah. They had no idea 457 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,320 that you, that you were for incident. Absolutely nothing. They hadn't been told anything other 458 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,320 than I was a police officer. I wasn't told anything I said until right at the end I was 459 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:37,320 then allowed to see the videotapes. Who's Marble? Who's Marble? There you are. Who's 460 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:47,320 there? I want to talk about it. What are you? I'm a rubber. It's a chair. No. It's not 461 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:57,320 like, it's got tapes like, you know. And when I saw them, I had a shiver on down my back 462 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:04,320 because under hypnosis, I come out with this story, call it what you like. I've been, I 463 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:11,320 have been feeling of being carried. Coming around in a room, and in the room there's a 464 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:19,320 tall humanoid figure, about six foot tall. I also described, I think it was eight smaller 465 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:27,320 creatures in there, and I described them as having a head like a light bulb. The stereotypical 466 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:33,320 description of aliens, pale humanoid with large heads and eyes, is remarkably consistent 467 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:39,320 across UFO abductees, including Travis' account of his own experience. Most of our 468 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,320 conceptions of what an alien might look like, basically informed by what we've seen on TV 469 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,320 or in the cinema. And when you actually look at the biology or the kind of principles of 470 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,320 evolution, there's probably little reason to expect that aliens would look much like us 471 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,320 at all. We all descended from the same ancestor, which was a fallen fish that crawled out from 472 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,320 the ocean and onto the land and then colonized the continents. So if we were to find another 473 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,320 earth-like planet that's got the right kind of conditions for animal life to evolve on 474 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,320 as well, and another alien fish-like thing clambers out onto the land, there'd be no reason to 475 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,320 expect that would have two pairs of fins, rather than maybe three. So the land animals on that 476 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,320 alien earth would be perhaps six-legged pexipods, rather than tetrapods like us. And this is 477 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,320 why a lot of the aliens we see on sci-fi are just unbelievable, they're too much like us, 478 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,320 they're not alien enough. So what do you think about Alan's story, Travis? Well, you know, 479 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:36,320 there was a lot of it that was really, you know, familiar, Rangabelle. At the range that 480 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:45,320 he saw that so close, there's no chance of misidentification. And on top of that, to 481 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,320 come forward with this kind of report is basically putting his job and reputation on the line. 482 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:58,320 So he must, you know, put a lot of stock in his own perceptions to lay it on the line like that. 483 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,320 Well, he went through a lot of stuff back in the day. I mean, to come forward, I mean, he was 484 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,320 telling me stories of, you know, other police officers planting things in his locker and all sorts 485 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:16,320 to discredit him. Oh, wow. So are we having that one? Yeah, you know, something happened. 486 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,320 I'm roaming the UK on a mission to uncover the truth behind the country's most compelling UFO cases, 487 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:34,320 and I'm not alone. I've been joined from the USA by Travis Walton, one of the world's best known 488 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,320 alien abductees. Given our respective backgrounds, me and Travis may as well be from different 489 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:46,320 planets, never mind different countries, but one thing connects us, the tantalising idea of intelligent 490 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:52,320 life elsewhere in the universe. There are approximately 100 billion, some people say 400 billion stars in 491 00:33:52,320 --> 00:34:00,320 the Milky Way galaxy, and that's a vast number. But there are far greater number of galaxies, 492 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:10,320 maybe 1,000 times more. So that even if you had only one intelligent civilization for every 1,000 493 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:17,320 galaxies, you would still have hundreds of billions of intelligent civilizations in the universe. 494 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:24,320 The issue of life in cosmos is a scientific question, a scientific issue, but it has many 495 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:35,320 philosophical dimensions. People want to know if are there anyone out of there, because the idea is to ask 496 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:43,320 them something about our life, our origins, our destiny. Because within our horizon, 497 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:51,320 earthly science, human knowledge, we are enabled. We are enabled to answer this very ultimate question. 498 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:58,320 We need some kind of knowledge from outside. We've come to Suffolk to meet Larry Warren, a man who, 499 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,320 like Travis and I, had a life-changing UFO encounter, which led to a firm belief in the existence of 500 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,320 our intelligence. The incident in Rendlesham Forest has been dubbed Britain's own Roswell. So it's 501 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:18,320 fitted that it's Travis's last case before he goes home. Oh, here he is. Hey Travis. Hey Larry, good to see you. 502 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,320 Good to see you my man. Been sitting around. Long time. Sean, it's a pleasure. How are you doing brother? 503 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,320 Yeah, absolutely. Pleasure. In late December 1980, Larry Warren was a fresh-faced US Air Force recruit, 504 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:37,320 stationed at RAF Bentwaters. On the third consecutive night of unexplained lights and activity over the base, 505 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:45,320 Larry was pulled off his post and claims he became involved in an astonishing UFO encounter in the nearby forest. 506 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:53,320 Larry was honorably discharged from the Air Force in 1983 and went public with his story. He spent the last 30 years 507 00:35:53,320 --> 00:36:01,320 defying the authorities to tell the world about his experience. Well, I've known about the Rendlesham case for many years, 508 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,320 so I've always wanted to hear this story from the arse's mouth. So Larry, can you tell the story? 509 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:14,320 I'll tell it brother. The ground was frozen. It was a clear night. There was no moon and we went down to, through the back 510 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,320 rows, they're very narrow. I didn't know the area there. Well, we got to a clearing called Capelgrain. There was a mist on the 511 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:28,320 ground. It was about a foot in height. I say a mist or a fog. It was greenish-yellow. You could see the ground through it at times. 512 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,320 It didn't float. It was just, it had structure to it and it was low, but it was about 50 foot in diameter. 513 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,320 Was it giving off light itself or was it lit from some other source? 514 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,320 You know, there was light being given off, but yet that didn't, doesn't seem bright when I think of it. 515 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:55,320 The air was charged and movement was slow and there was no sound. There was no, there was nothing. It was, everything was void. 516 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,320 It was a vacuum. Wow. 517 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:06,320 This EDC was interrupted by a red ball of light that appeared suddenly and moved into Ozard clearing over the tree tops, 518 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,320 an event substantiated by the accounts of other Air Force personnel who were present. 519 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:18,320 It came above this red example, above this table and there's the circle. It's at that high. Over the circular mist 520 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:27,320 stayed in position. You had that long to look at it and then this flat, this thing, I, there I say explosion. 521 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:36,320 That's not right. It was like metal falling in a structured pattern onto this mist. By the time my eyes cleared, 522 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:45,320 there was a structured object, probably about 25 to 30 feet at its base and it went up to about 15 feet at a sharp angle, 523 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:53,320 like a pyramid thing. It was probably about 20 feet from where I stood. I saw a life form associated with it. 524 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:59,320 It split into three and you could see the, there were, I thought, kids, you know, what the hell is this? 525 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,320 And it was animated and it was alive. 526 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:09,320 Larry's account by his own admission is dreamlike, making exact timings and events difficult to define. 527 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:15,320 It maintains his altered perception was due to some kind of field emanating from the structure. 528 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:22,320 What does seem clear is that after Larry spent some time standing guard as mental radiation readings, 529 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,320 he and other low ranking personnel were ordered back to the base, leaving the mysterious objects in the field. 530 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,320 So Larry, after you saw all this, what did the military do to you? 531 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:40,320 They didn't tell us it was from outer space, but they definitely said that this phenomena had been visiting this planet 532 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,320 for longer than any of us in the room would know this had been going on and this is the needs for secrecy 533 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,320 and we hope we can count on everything. Your cooperation. 534 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,320 Cooperation, meaning don't talk about it? 535 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:57,320 Don't talk about it. They had assigned papers that were all pre-written statements saying we were off duty 536 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,320 and saw lights amongst the trees. 537 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,320 We're not far, are we? That if from where? 538 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,320 Well, we're about ten minutes away driving. 539 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,320 Can we go there? You sure you want to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 540 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,320 Let's go. Come on. 541 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,320 When it comes to the shadowy world of military UFO cover-ups, 542 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:23,320 Rendlesham is just one conspiracy among many and the mothership of them all is the Roswell incident. 543 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,320 Played against the backdrop of post-war America on July the 8th, 1947, 544 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,320 a flying diss was reported to have crashed at Roswell in New Mexico, 545 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:41,320 only for the US Air Force to release a statement later the same day insisting the object had in fact been a weather balloon. 546 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,320 Ever since, testimony of those on the ground that day have fuelled the alien cover-up fire 547 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,320 and the word Roswell has become synonymous with UFOs. 548 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,320 Rendlesham may not have quite the same cultural clout as Roswell, 549 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,320 but it's obvious that for Larry it's become an obsession. 550 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,320 The real twisted part of all this, man, is, I always say, twisted with this guy. 551 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,320 I wonder why I do that. I don't know. 552 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,320 There's some song you wrote. Somebody might be melding. 553 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,320 Yeah, something like that. Someone should write something about it. 554 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,320 Although I did write that off Steve McQueen. 555 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,320 Oh, he's dead, he can't see. 556 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,320 But this is the road on my night we came down. 557 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,320 This is the end of Woodbridge Field. 558 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,320 Over to the left here, obviously the trees at that time came right to the road. 559 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,320 And that's Rendlesham Forest and it goes way back. 560 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,320 And we flew down on my night, we had a roadblock back that way, 561 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,320 and we just went right down to the end and we turned left, we went in, 562 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,320 and then it opens up into a field called Capel Green. 563 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,320 That is where the majority of the incidents took place. 564 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,320 Over the years, a number of men have come forward with their versions of what happened that night, 565 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,320 but it has to be said, some of them vary significantly. 566 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:02,320 Yet a radio recording of the night exists, which seems to support those who believe they saw the UFO. 567 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,320 Understand why there's been a... 568 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,320 Even though there is material that adds weight to Larry's account, 569 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,320 it doesn't make returning here any less traumatic. 570 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,320 I never wanted to come back, you know, when I wanted to get away from this place. 571 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,320 I thought it was pretty evil, you know, and not in a satanic way, but just it was... 572 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,320 My world was totally different at night. 573 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,320 Well, some of the people that you've actually took it that way, didn't they? 574 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,320 Yes. 575 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,320 But the first thing a lot of people do when they don't understand something, 576 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,320 is that, you know, screaming the devil and satanic. 577 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,320 Rather than, and I'm not anywhere near this, 578 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,320 but rather than thinking of a good thing, oh God, oh God, it's always satanic. 579 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,320 Satanic? The devil. 580 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,320 The idea was just that the world I thought I knew at that young age was absolutely... 581 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,320 Yeah, I mean, that will throw your world into absolute b****. 582 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,320 Oh, it's spun out, man. It was...it was it. 583 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,320 I mean, what I'd like to hear, Larry, is what's your own personal take on the whole thing? 584 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,320 Yeah. Well, I'd happily tell you. 585 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,320 Yeah, please. 586 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,320 Because I never get asked. 587 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,320 Yeah, I mean, I really want to hear your personal take on it. 588 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,320 My personal take after 32 years, from what I believe, 589 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,320 is that they had equipment out here preset up, 590 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,320 and it was designed to bring in phenomena and other intelligence. 591 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,320 They contained this phenomena, and they could observe it under close quarters 592 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,320 with special forces units throughout this forest that were already embedded, 593 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,320 days leading up to this. 594 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,320 So, do you think it was like a pre-arranged meeting? 595 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,320 You know, a meet? 596 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,320 No. I do think they have have technology, and even then, the feds, the government, 597 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:42,320 whoever, to bring in through electronics, 598 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:48,320 and there's all kinds of things beyond me to open up doorways to this phenomena, 599 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,320 to come in where they can contain it, maybe grab it, maybe study it up close. 600 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,320 But this thing got out of hand, and maybe it was perhaps supposed to be one night, 601 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,320 but it turned into three, and I think they pissed this phenomena off, 602 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,320 and that's why it got out of hand and got too big, 603 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,320 and beams are coming down into our nukes, 604 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,320 and I will state this my life, is that the nuclear weapons we had, 605 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,320 and some witnesses won't even admit we had them, 606 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,320 and that's up to people to think what they are free to say, 607 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,320 were adversely affected by these beams coming to the ground. 608 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,320 It was that big a thing. 609 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,320 This containment operation on what happened here, 610 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,320 what the real truth is, is still ongoing. 611 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,320 No whistleblower in the military has ever done what I was able to do, 612 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,320 and frankly, I'm amazed I didn't get wet. 613 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,320 Clearly something truly extraordinary happened in Rendlesham on that night in 1980, 614 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,320 but with Larry, I admit I find it hard to separate fact from fiction, 615 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,320 and to decide just where the line between the two has been blurred. 616 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,320 For all the people we've met on this trip, 617 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,320 their UFO experience was a deeply personal one. 618 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,320 They've all been profoundly affected. 619 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,320 Nevertheless, as Travis and I know from personal experience, 620 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,320 while the world at large remains skeptical, 621 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,320 these witnesses will likely remain outsiders, 622 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,320 and their accounts just as stuff with sadonic tabloid headlines. 623 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,320 I think some people are prepared to accept a little bit of unusualness, 624 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,320 high strangeness, a little one-off episode, 625 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,320 but if you start talking about it in larger chunks, 626 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,320 or occurring more often, the skeptical hackles rise 627 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,320 as if they can't take that on board. 628 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,320 I think if we ever are going to accept that there are intelligent life forms out there 629 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,320 and they travel between stars, it's going to have to be a substantial number of people 630 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,320 that all see the same thing for the world to kind of change its mind, 631 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,320 because until then, there won't be any convincing evidence of aliens or flying saucers.